To be honest if you need that bit to control the horse he a new horse or the horse wasn’t trained properly
I just got my horse two weeks ago, so it's a fairly new partnership. We are still trying to figure each other out. The lady that was my trainer's friend got the bit for him. I thought that bit was too harsh, but I didn't know the horse so I thought that was what he went best in. I'll look into softer bits. Do you all have the same bit for schooling as well as shows? Because I know some people do because they need more precision when showing.
I agree with Lucy and Kristen. I would never use that bit. I think if you need a bit that strong to control your horse then you didn’t train them right.
A bit is only as hard as the hand that control it. If you aren’t pulling it isn’t doing anything in the horses mouth, just resting on the tongue. But if you don’t think you need it there is no point in using a harsh bit. You could always try something softer, if it doesn’t work you can go back to it :)
I think Lucy said it perfectly. I would never let that bit anywhere near any of my horses to be honest.
Honestly, they're about the same. Both are just as narrow as each other built for the same purpose. The only real difference is that a corkscrew design is more pointed and sharp compared to twisted wire. Either way, there's no doubt that both of these bits are designed to apply severe pressure to the horse's mouth and I strongly disagree with the use of them.
Lucy said it perfectly and I could not agree more.
Oops I actually meant that I had the double twisted wire not corkscrew. Is this any less harsh or the same as the corkscrew?
A double corkscrew bit is extremely harsh, no matter the hands behind it. At the end of the day, it is an extremely narrow bit, the smaller surface area resulting in drastically increased pressure. Even with no pressure being applied to the reins people tend to forget that bits are metal and therefore weighted, so the horse will still feel pressure in his mouth before you even lift the reins.
You can have the softest hands in the world - that horse still has a pain-inflicting piece of metal in his mouth that is not only invasive but causes tension.
Your horse may not fight against this severe pressure since you mentioned earlier that he is not strong. However, this will be because he has learned to submit and deal with the pain, though he shouldn't have to.
I say get rid of it. Go back to basics, re-train in a bit less or happy mouth bit which will give his mouth a break. A horse will respond to the softest options as long as the training and effort put in behind it is consistent.
No bit is harsh until the hand behind it applies the force to the bit. When there’s no pressure, it’s merely a piece of metal in the horse’s mouth. I’ve ridden in many types of bits, on many horses. However, I find less is more. At times, horses with bits such as a double corkscrew makes horses a bit more resistant because the hand behind the bit uses it harshly. No bit is “too harsh for schooling” until used too strongly by the hand. If you wish to change the bir, I suggest a Korsteel Regular D-Ring Snaffle. I hope this helps!
It sounds like the horse doesn’t really need that strong of a bit... I would talk to your trainer about getting a softer bit, even if it is still strong
Then don’t use it, maybe it was used to compensate for some riders inability. Try other bits starting at the nicest end of the spectrum and work up with your trainers help.
My horse is a 7yr warmblood that does showjumping. I normally ride with a light hand. He is not a strong horse, so I do not know why he would need such a bit. The lady is actually my trainer's long time friend, who went down to Wellington FL with me to see the horse. Her daughter works at the barn and knew the horse was for sale. She wasn't the rider or the trainer. My trainer expressed her dislike for the bit and said she wished her friend would of called her first. I have no idea about the horse or bits so I just let her choose.
What are you trying to do with the bit? There is a reason why they’re using that bit. And yes, it is a harsh bit, even more in the hands of someone that isn’t an experienced rider.
Also what would you recommend instead and would the double corkscrew be ok for competition instead?